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Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.01 20:30:00 - [1] - Quote Man, you miners must be poor as **** if you think you could even get me to open my client for 5 million isk, let alone do something once it's open.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.01 20:38:00 - [2] - Quote Spikeflach wrote: [I thought all the hubub was that hi sec was way to profitable and everyone that lives and breathes in hi sec is super rich... Highsec has one of the most profitable activities in the game (L4 missions) and when incursions were running, it had far-and-away the most profitable activity in the game. If people choose not to take advantage of that while living there, it's their problem. Besides, any mention of that as an issue is because, given a risk vs reward structure, the most secure section of the game shouldn't have the most profitable activities, otherwise there's literally no point at all in living anywhere else. But that's a whole other topic for a whole other thread. This thread is for making fun of a dumb that posted an even dumber thread.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.01 21:30:00 - [3] - Quote Guys this is a fair and on-the-level challenge it just has to be in this one region that happens to be the home of the central market hub of the game and I have to know what system it's in so I can watch you to make sure you don't cheat I promise I won't tell anyone else what system that is though Wait why is nobody accepting this challenge what is going on
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.01 21:40:00 - [4] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Not all are dishonest like your kin. Trusting random publords is what turns regular people into afk hulk mining whining babies.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.01 21:47:00 - [5] - Quote There's definitely something funny about a LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN MINE LIKE THE AVERAGE MINER challenge as a response to a campaign where one of the central points is that being an average miner is stupid and dangerous and should stop.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.01 21:53:00 - [6] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Well because reward is soooooooooooooooooooooooo not worth the risk. Hence why I upped the reward from the single digit per hour an ice miner would get to more than incursion. Can't complain you get low reward, incursions are really where the leet guys are at! And in doing that you also created a set of rules that negates just about every piece of advice that has ever come out of this thing (bring friends, pick systems smarter, etc). Also the whole "if you die, you lose" thing is hilarity since death is an inevitable part of Eve no matter what precautions you take. Most third world elections are more on the level than this sorry excuse of a "challenge". You could pay 300 billion and it wouldn't even be worth plugging a webcam in.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.01 22:09:00 - [7] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: "Please go against all the advice you've given on these forums like not mining next door to a market hub and you'll get a total of 305 million ISK" Unless of course you die, then you lose. I promise I won't arrange this! I swear!
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.01 22:17:00 - [8] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Hmm actually if you knew Bat Country patterns you'd know that The Citadel and Lonetrek are as visited as The Forge. Never went to check Black Rise though. Still doesn't explain why you limited your contest to the region that has Jita, though.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.02 02:15:00 - [9] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: As per the rules my initial post you are to emulate an average joe. That is, it's you and your Mackinaw, no hauler. Game is a sandbox but can't enforce having multiple accounts, expecially on people who will probably not use scouts, cyno alts etc. Almost nobody use jet cans for ice anyway. If anything they fleet up with someone else (ARGH! Hi sec miners playing as a team, OH MY!) with an Orca. The Mack will be tanked of course, since you guys believe it's so game changing, so it's cargo hold will be minimal. Have fun spending half your fine docking to station. Again, your problem is "emulating the average Joe" when this entire event is a long demonstration about how terrible and stupid the "average Joe's" methods are. If they don't use jetcans or haulers instead of warping back to station every time their hold fills, they're being INCREDIBLY STUPID. If they fly solo in the most expensive barge they can find during Hulkageddon, they're being INCREDIBLY STUPID. Are you starting to get this yet? Seriously? Mining without a hauler? Are these miners literally ********? Are they that afraid to make a single friend, or are they so greedy they refuse to split their isk with even one other person?
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.02 03:42:00 - [10] - Quote Ituhata Saken wrote: You can pretend they you aren't complaining about it, but the stealth whine did not go unnoticed. That right there is the key of why there's so much vitriol towards the AFK mining whiners. They can talk about just wanting balance all they want, how they don't have a problem with ganking in principle, all of that good stuff. That one statement destroys it all - it's trying to imply that the recommendations on how to be safer (tanks, dscan, etc) aren't good recommendations if they don't make you 100% safe, that if you do these things and still die, clearly the suggestions were worthless. That alone is stupid enough, but if you think about it, it's also telling you what they want from any potential game changes. It's not about balance, or making the risk vs reward more "even", it's about making themselves completely safe. Nothing else but that will ever be "fair" or "balanced" to them, and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety.

Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.02 03:45:00 - [11] - Quote EnslaverOfMinmatar wrote: Snow Axe wrote: Man, you miners must be poor as **** if you think you could even get me to open my client for 5 million isk, let alone do something once it's open. 5m isk = $0.20 and that's crazy money in some commie country Remember too, that's 5 million isk for 4 hours ever day for a month, so 5 million isk for 120 hours of gameplay that must be very specific and very recorded. Somalian dirt farmers would laugh in your face at that offer.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.02 06:06:00 - [12] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Ever imagined that the people doing are relatively new and fund-less people so they can't afford PLEX? For you maybe EvE is unplayable without multiple accounts but then it's not an EULA requirement to always have that Falcon alt just incase, that cyno alt, RR alts, off grid booster alt and why not, an hauler alt. For you it's incredibly stupid, for others is a necessity. At no point did I mention alt accounts. Actually, I specifically said "make friends" (in a multiplayer game, no less!). Your mind immediately went to alts. Are you and your ilk really THAT averse to playing with others? Besides, "relatively new" people aren't flying Hulks, and so far every bleating I QUIT GOONS RUIN STUFF Hulk pilot goes to great lengths to mention just how many accounts they're taking with them. I'll give you a hint, they're all well more than 1. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Flying in the most expensive barge? A Mack is not. He could opt in for a durable Hulk but that ofc is the expensive option. Plus are you really suggesting that this sandbox of yours is not meant to be played with an Exhumer? The biggest, most expensive ship isn't always the best option. That's Eve 101 right there. What makes it the best option is solely determined by the pilot itself - can you afford to lose it, where are you mining, how long are you mining for, are you bringing friends (lol), etc etc. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I can hear you: "Yes but certainly not during Hulkageddon!" And I can reply you: "No problem, let's wait for 2 weeks so Hulkageddon is ove.....". Oh wait YOUR corp made it permanent, which by your reasonment means exhumers are banned forever. Banned forever? Nah, they'll still get tons of use in low/null and in high by people who aren't afraid to think a little bit. Dumbos who want to sit still alone in a belt in a multi-million isk hull with empty slots and ship fittings that actually reduce their survivability will struggle though, no doubt. That said, the only thing continued are the 100mil/10 killing blow payments. That's not really a HUGE incentive for a lot of people to keep going, and certainly not at any kind of pace. Hulkageddon proper is a race, don't forget, with prizes for the most amount of kills. This is just a pretty small amount of supplemental income that will help gankers break even that has no time constraints on it at all. If the pace of ganking continues, it's likely more to do with the gankers having way too much fun making people lose their minds on Eve-O than anything to do with a pretty paltry 100mil isk. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Mining without hauler: besides the above, try to really jet can in an Exhumer with an average of 3-4 can flippers doing their best to catch you. Sooner or later you WILL hear a door bell or will have to toilet 30 seconds and then you are done. I went to test this in Minmatar space (read: vastly less trafficked) and I had about 3 smart attempts to can flip per day. You'd think "well it's not that many". But that was inside a large grav site, one of the most difficult signatures and still they got there, can flipped and after they realized I would not take the bait they'd warp in catalysts. This is an honest question (as you couldn't pay me enough to bother mining Veldspar in highsec), but why not anchor/password a GSC and mine into that? Obviously it wouldn't be the same sort of long term storage as a Jetcan, but as an intermediary between a mining ship and a hauler, it should work fine, yes? Exhumers V Hulks have a laser yield of something like 1800m3 per cycle, so an anchored can could hold 2 cycles. Easily enough time for a hauler to scoop it out before your next one. Even if you were paranoid and had the hauler docking up after every pickup, it's still better productivity than warping back to station every time.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.02 06:50:00 - [13] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Because having friends is not an EULA requirement, and when miners commit to some 8h a day schedule lasting months, they won't find someone friend enough to sit there like an idiot forever. Eve isn't a single-player game. Some activities are not solo-friendly, and given the sandbox nature of the game, circumstances for activities can change at the whims of the playerbase. Of course, nobody's FORCED to get into a corp, make friends, or anything of the sort, but it's highly advisable, wouldn't you think? Especially for an activity like mining, which isn't really solo friendly unless you're a full-on masochist (or have enough alts to simulate having friends). Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: If I see the ganking gets reduced I might contact Helicity to sponsor prices. I want the maximum amount of miners to die too. Helicity doesn't really have anything to do with our payments IIRC, it was just an addon to Hulkageddon. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I might be wrong but 1 cycle worth of ice (1000m3 per block, minimum you get 2 per laser) does not fit in a GSC. You could do up to 3 per strip if you stagger your strips (or you could go the extra confusing route and anchor 1 can per strip). It's more work, obviously, but still doable (and still far more profitable than stopping your strips and going back to station). It'd actually probably work even better for ice since you wouldn't be moving spots (which would obv. be an issue in a regular non-grav non-mission belt). Barbara Nichole wrote: AFK happens.. if you don't like it leave. AFK'ers aren't people who eventually go AFK for some reason during the course of their playing time (as that'd be literally everyone), they're people who play openly AFK and then whine because bad things might happen to them. For example, you lost your hauler, and that must have sucked, but did you come onto the forums and whine about how you shouldn't be able to lose a hauler in open space? You didn't, but that's exactly what Hulk miners are doing in droves right now, and that's where the scorn is coming from.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.02 08:53:00 - [14] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: 300M ISK/hr in a non-pimped incursion boat? Did I miss a [sarcasm] tag or something? 300m/4 hours was her offer, so 75mil/hr.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.02 09:01:00 - [15] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Makes sense, they come teached by ISDs in rookie chat to become miners (like I did) what ships to get, what skills to train, they get pointed to Halada's miner guide listing the ships. They buy those ships and feel accomplished and then some weeks later (if ever) they read they did all wrong, should have trained a combat ship, should have chosen different stats, prioritized other implants... At least acknowldege it's a shoddy kick in the balls and counter intuitive to say the least. Game should not require to read GD. . No matter your profession, Eve will kick you in the balls with a steel-toed boot many times over. That's where "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" comes from. Also, if that's not the first lesson being taught to any player, at all, ever, then someone screwed up. Every lesson you can ever learn in Eve comes back to that core idea, that once you hit Undock, all bets are off.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.02 09:08:00 - [16] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: What needs a buff is to remove concord and put players. Even just temporarily and for a requester, like war dec ally mechanic works. They already have that in-game, it's called lowsec and nullsec. Oh wait, you don't want the downsides that come with that, do you?
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.02 09:18:00 - [17] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Nullsec is worthless for what I care. Lowsec is actually my favored place, so try this on someone else, mkay? Good for you! Doesn't mean your suggestion to allow the importation of convenient low/null features into highsec temporarily and without the associated downsides isn't mind-numbingly ******** though.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2012.06.02 09:27:00 - [18] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Why, do you prefer a PLAYER DRIVEN game or NPC WoW crap? I am all for having all player driven everywhere even in high sec. If this means removing CONCORD, then yes I'm 100% for it. I'm not for halfassed solutions like being able to flick CONCORD off when it's not convenient for you.

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